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Thursday, 14 March 2013

New Atheists? Or a Grumpy Man's War on Religion


Tis Lokee here once more...

If one follows the New Atheist trend, to be an atheist today appears to entail possessing a high level of arrogance, zealousness for criticism and a lack of sensitivity towards the issues.  

The last few years for me have been quite a journey in terms of grounding my philosophical thoughts, understandings and ideas within a workable framework.  A significant part of that journey was spurred by the lectures and texts of the men at the forefront of what has now become known as the New Atheist movement, the Four Horsemen.  After my initial excitement that there appeared to be capable thinkers in the public forum giving voice to opinions that had been bubbling under the surface, I found I was beginning to be uncomfortable with the force with which they were expressing their views. 

I, like many, cheer when New Atheists argue for the teaching of evolution rather than creationism in schools, jump for joy shouting “yes!” when they state that religion has no place in the laboratory or government and applaud when they aren’t afraid to point out the atrocious impact religious fundamentalism has, physically, intellectually and psychologically, on both the individual and group level. 

What sometimes leads me to stand back aghast is the wholesale criticism of religion and the positioning of those who are religious as intellectually inferior.  In fact not only do I stand back stunned, but I feel the need to separate myself entirely from the movement.  It seems that atheism, once a collective definition for people who have no belief in a God or who recognise that there is no evidence for a God, has now become a movement with an aggressive political agenda. Hooper (2006) states, “What the New Atheists share is a belief that religion should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized and exposed by rational argument wherever its influence arises.”  Now while I see that stance as a necessary one when facing the dangers of religious fundamentalism, and the practice of rational argument is one I adhere to, it is the New Atheists’ conflation of religious fundamentalism with all believers, and the resulting heavy-handed criticism towards all religion that I feel uncomfortable with.  As Higgs (2012) is quoted as saying, "What Dawkins does too often is to concentrate his attack on fundamentalists. But there are many believers who are just not fundamentalists…  Fundamentalism is another problem. I mean, Dawkins in a way is almost a fundamentalist himself, of another kind."  It is this fundamentalist attitude that has made atheism “no longer just a quiet and personal celebration of reason” but a pervasive movement that is quickly being overshadowed by a militant agenda to silence and suppress dissenting views (Panahi, 2012). 

While religion may not have a place in the fields of science or politics, it does have a place in the personal lives of its adherents.  Alain de Botton (2011), a well-known atheist philosopher, defends the practical parts of religion and encourages atheists to note, “there is something to learn from the example of religion -- even if you don't believe any of it.”  The failure to acknowledge the virtues that can be found in the religious beliefs of millions is a strategic choice that does more harm than good, namely it encourages intolerance.  It also has the potential to discourage people from looking beyond the surface of apparent religious conflicts to note what other variables should be taken into consideration, when attempting to find causes.    
   
Fruitful debate and discussion happens when both parties respect each other, or at minimum strive to see virtue in the opponent’s point of view.  When aggressive intolerance becomes the primary stance of New Atheists, any hope of progress is blocked and the atheist is immediately placed on the back foot.  A person finds themself on a figurative battleground fighting against an opponent, whose defense mechanisms are at their highest.  The best one can hope for is for both parties to walk away disgusted by each other and possibly slightly scarred by the insults that have been hurled back and forth. 

Dawkins and Dennett have both portrayed religious beliefs as a virus of the mind (Wright 2009).  When one hears or reads the word “virus” what springs to mind but parasites?  A virus implies a discernible negative effect on its host both mentally and physically.  While negative effects of religion can be found amongst believers, there is also significant evidence for the positive effects of religion, especially towards a person’s emotional well-being (Asma, 2011).

There are examples of religions whose purpose appears not to be to explain nature nor guide one along the moral path, but instead to provide adherents with the means necessary to practice discipline and introspection in the pursuit of psychological well-being external to the material world (Asma, 2011).   Buddhism is such a religion and one that has been acknowledged by many atheists to be an exception to the religions they denounce.  It is often referred to as a philosophy rather than a religion and one that resonates with many of the New Atheist ideals. 

Religion offers people a coping mechanism in a world that is undoubtedly harsh and troubled.  As Asma (2011) states, “Powerless people turn to religion and find a sense of relief, which helps them psychologically to stay afloat. Those who wish to abolish religion seek to pull away the life preserver, mistakenly blaming the device for the drowning.”  While such human vulnerability may be seen by some to be a weakness and it may indeed bring forth a response of disdain or pity from those who feel immune to such feelings, as emotional human beings, we all seek a sense of calm.  Some find comfort in reading, art, music, or sport, others find it in religion.  As Roger Scruton says, "The consolation of imaginary things is not imaginary consolation" and it is for this reason that one should note the virtue as well as the vice, when addressing the problems inherent within any particular religion.    

With that said, it is for this reason that world religions should be invited to the debate with due respect in the hope that through joint discussion and constructive criticism, what is malevolent within some religions can be weeded out, while not immediately dismissing that which is benign and, for some, an emotional necessity.  As Halla (2012) states, “While one can concede that religious doctrine formed the root of many vicious disputes and even wars, the New Atheists attack elements of religion that might actually prove useful to humanity—tenets we have no good reason to dogmatically reject.”   

After watching many presentations with one or a number of the Four Horsemen at the lead, an outcome such as that described above is becoming less and less likely because of their intolerant attitude to a topic that requires some care.  One only needs to join Dawkins’ Twitter feed to see an endless barrage of unkind remarks and extreme examples of religious intolerance.  I can’t imagine any sensible well-intended adherent of religion wanting to subject themselves to such an attack.    

Don’t mistake me here, I do agree with much of what New Atheism has to say on religion and there is of course a rationale behind their extreme stance, and that rationale is, to some extent, valid.  In fact, I would argue that it is thanks to the vigour with which Hitchens, Dawkins, Dennett and Harris pursue religion that religion is in the foreground of contemporary debate.  Some like Blackford (2012) can even pinpoint the year, 2004, “that was the year when large trade imprints in English-speaking countries began publishing forthright, unashamed attacks on the truth of religious doctrines and the moral pretensions of churches and sects. Since then, some of the most prominent books, such as The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, have sold millions of copies.”

I can only hope that more deliberate, considered and respectful proponents of atheism come to the fore and steal some of the limelight away from the Four Horsemen, and thereby not only assist the debate, but ensure that Science and Secularism aren’t blackened by the negative actions of a few.  For if Wolf (2006) is right in that the New Atheists “condemn not just belief in God, but respect for belief in God,” and that they believe that “Religion is not only wrong; it’s evil,” what chance does rational debate have?   

List of References

Asma, Stephen, T.   (2011).  The New Atheists Narrow World View. 

Blackford, Russell.  (2011).  With friends like these: Atheists against the New Atheism

de Botton, Alain.  (2011).  Atheism: 2.0
Halla, Barbara.  (2012).  New Atheism:  Missing the Point. 

Hooper, Simon.  (2006).  The Rise of the New Atheists. 

Jha, Alok.  (2012).  Peter Higgs criticises Richard Dawkins over anti-religious 'fundamentalism'

Panahi, Rita.  (2012).  New atheists adopt the zealot's garb | Herald Sun

Stenger, Victor.  What’s New About The New Atheism? 

Wolf, Gary.  (2006).  My Friends I Must Ask You An Important Question Today:  Where do you stand on God?

Wright, Robert.  ().  The Trouble with New Atheists: Part II

Wright, Robert.  ().  Why the New Atheists are Right Wing on Foreign Policy. 

Thursday, 15 November 2012

Response to Melchior (in respect to the recent puzzle question)



Interaction between Melchior and me at reddit/math has got too long to continue in its original form.  Here’s what’s gone before in response to my recent article about the Bertrand Paradox (note that by some cruel twist of fate, the name neopolitan was not available to me):


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Melchior:


You pose an ill-defined problem to which there is no right or wrong answer, then you nominate one answer as "probably right" for dubious reasons. You stick with the vague "select at random from a set" concept and try to work with subset relationships, but this approach can't express the hidden assumptions that underlie the paradox.


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wotpolitan:


Thanks Melchoir.


I posed the question as "what is the probability, p, of a random chord in a circle being longer than the side of the largest equilateral triangle that can be drawn in that same circle?" Wikipedia has it expressed as "Consider an equilateral triangle inscribed in a circle. Suppose a chord of the circle is chosen at random. What is the probability that the chord is longer than a side of the triangle?"


I don't really think that either question is ill-defined.


It only appears ill-defined when you select chords from a biased set (thus making them not random).


My set was only biased so as to make sure the two random points result in a chord, I don't think that that is invalid, is it?


But, yes, I agree, I do have to make that a little more clear in the original article. Thanks again.


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Melchior:


| “It only appears ill-defined when you select chords from a biased set”


There's no such thing as a "biased set". Every probability distribution is "biased" relative to some other probability distribution.


| “(thus making them not random)”


The phrase "not random" is meaningless here. I think you mean that the distribution is not uniform, but that's also meaningless unless coordinates are specified, and it does depend on the coordinates.


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wotpolitan:


Ok, maybe this is why I should have paid a little more attention to statistics many years ago.


Re a “biased set” – if you are considering the probability of selecting a human over 180cm tall and you restrict your measurements to all American males, then you are not going to get the correct result for all humans. This is what I mean by a “biased set”. You might want to call this a “biased sample”, but note that I said ALL American males. If you, for some reason have got it in your head that the set of all humans is identical to the set of all American males, then you have a biased set.


This is similar to the case with the p=1/3 calculation of the probability of randomly selecting a chord of length greater than r.√3 in a circle of radius r. If you restrict your selection of points which define a line which then results in a chord to any two on the circumference of the circle, you get a “biased set”. The biased set results in p=1/3 while an unbiased set (which I think I’ve defined) results in p=1/2. I’m sorry if my terminology is not standard but if you can try to see past that it would be much appreciated.


Re “not random”, hopefully this is clarified by the above but to make sure, by this I mean that a random selection from the set of all possible chords is not going to give you the same result as the random selection of a pair of points on a circle, even if those points can then be used to define chords. A “random” selection from a subset of all chords is not necessarily equivalent to a random selection from the set of all chords. (It’s like trying to select people at random from a crowd and subconsciously only selecting females that you think are particularly good-looking, it might be a random selection of good-looking females, but it’s not random in terms of the task at hand.) Again, I might not have used the correct terminology for which I apologise.


By the way, are you a p=1/3 person? Or simply undecided?


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Melchior:


The set of humans is simply different from the set of American males. Neither one is biased.


The distinction is a red herring anyway, because we're talking about one and only one set: the set of chords in the circle. You keep saying "subset", but the set of chords defined by choosing two endpoints is precisely the same set as the set of all chords. There is no chord that exists in one set but not the other.


Subsets can't rescue you from this paradox. It's not just a matter of terminology; there's something very different going on here. This is a really important point, and you have to accept it in order to understand anything else about the problem.


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Dear Melchior.


This last response is quite interesting.


Wikipedia defines a paradox broadly enough to include puzzling results that can be rectified by demonstrating that one or more of the premises themselves are not really true, are a play on words, are faulty and/or cannot all be true together, going far enough to state that paradox is often used interchangeably with contradiction.  Even dictionaries seem to be rather vague on the topic, for example the first entry at merriam-webster.com isn’t even remotely close to what I personally would define as a paradox.


Let me clarify.  In this context I mean by paradox, as I am sure the people who originally named it the Bertrand Paradox meant, a problem which appears to have (at least) three alternative solutions which cannot all be correct.  It cannot be true that p=1/2 and p=1/3 and p=1/4 in this scenario, when p is the probability that a chord selected at random is greater than r.√3.


I know that Bertrand originally presented the problem as an example of how different methods of producing a random variable can affect the result, but I think you might be interpreting this incorrectly.  A truly random selection of a chord is not necessarily equivalent to following a process which is (in a sense) random and which results in a chord.  You might think that, by following each of the three methods listed in the Wikipedia article, you are randomly selecting a chord, but my argument is that you are not.  You are close to it with method 2 (the radius method), but you are not with methods 1 or 3 – unless you modify them in the way that I have described in my earlier article.


I am curious as to your intent, Melchior.  It may be a tiny bit unfair to use this medium to analyse your responses, but life is always a tiny bit unfair, so I’ll carry on regardless.


You initially said the problem is ill-defined.  It’s not.  You also made mention of the “hidden assumptions that underlie the paradox”, but you’ve not made clear what these hidden assumptions are.  Accepted that I haven’t previously asked you to, but I am now:  What are the hidden assumptions underlying the Bertrand Paradox?


Then you totally misunderstood the point about the “biased set”.  The set of American males is a set and the set of humans is a set, it’s generally accepted that the former is a subset of the latter.  The problem arises when you take only American males and assume that the results of any measurement will be representative of humanity as a whole.  The distribution of chords as generated via two random points on the circumference of a circle is not the same as the distribution of chords as generated by two random points selected without the constraint.  The former is a subset of the latter.  Do you not agree?


I did ask you if you were a p=1/3 person or just undecided, which you didn’t respond to.  Could you please be open about that?


Finally, you say that subsets “can’t rescue (me) from the paradox” and “there’s something very different going on here”.  Then you talk about understanding “anything else about the problem”.


When you talk about rescue from a paradox, it seems to me that you are talking about inherent self-contradiction as in the following couplet:


                          The sentence below is a lie.


                          The sentence above is true.


That’s an inescapable paradox caused by indirect self-reference, you have to just walk away from it rather than try to work out whether one or both or neither of them are correct.


Are you implying that the Bertrand Paradox is a true paradox in the stricter sense?  Is the “something very different” that you are hinting at merely a reference to the problems associated with simulating randomness (which Bertrand was in essence talking about)?


And, as a last question, what is the “anything else about the problem” of which you speak?


Sincerely in anticipation of a fruitful continuation of this discussion,


neopolitan