For the
atheists engaged in this discussion, the core problem we encountered is an
inability or unwillingness on the part of the theist (LNC) to comprehensively
define what “objective” means and then stick to that definition. As a consequence of wrestling with this
issue, it occurred to me that there is more than one “axis of morality”. I’ll try to explain.
LNC
insisted on discussing “objective morality” as if it lay on one axis, as
illustrated below:
I'm being a little inaccurate here. Let me try again. LNC's axis of morality looks a bit more like this:
Occasionally LNC would resort to some bizarre grammatical version of moral nomenclature, claiming that if you make a moral statement concerning the subject of a clause, then you are being a subjectivist but from the vast bulk of his communication it is quite clear that he’s comparing moral objectivism with moral relativism. In The Problem with Sam, I touched on why some are loathe to be labelled as moral relativists, and it appears that LNC is similarly loathe to be labelled as a moral absolutist, despite the fact that his discussions certainly indicate that he is in fact a moral absolutist.
I'm being a little inaccurate here. Let me try again. LNC's axis of morality looks a bit more like this:
Occasionally LNC would resort to some bizarre grammatical version of moral nomenclature, claiming that if you make a moral statement concerning the subject of a clause, then you are being a subjectivist but from the vast bulk of his communication it is quite clear that he’s comparing moral objectivism with moral relativism. In The Problem with Sam, I touched on why some are loathe to be labelled as moral relativists, and it appears that LNC is similarly loathe to be labelled as a moral absolutist, despite the fact that his discussions certainly indicate that he is in fact a moral absolutist.
The
thing is, the opposite of “objective” is not “relative” but rather
“subjective”. And the opposite of
“relative” is “absolute”. This gives us
two axes:
Once
we accept the idea of multiple moral axes, the question is then “how many and
what might they be?”
Here
is my suggestion:
I’ll
briefly sketch out what I mean by each axis.
Objective-Subjective
An
objective position is such that no matter who makes the determination, the
result will be the same. An example is
the measurement of a weight using a standard set of scales. Fifty kilograms on the scales will be
measured as 50kg no matter who is doing the measuring. A subjective position is based on personal
circumstances or opinions. A strong
person when bench pressing 50kg may consider that a light weight, while light
weights such as myself will think it is far too heavy to deal with for more
than a few minutes (if we can manage that).
An
objective moral judgment could be made on the basis of how much harm is caused
by alternative options (smacking a child does more harm than good, based on the
levels of pain experienced by the child, therefore smacking a child is morally
wrong).
A
subjective moral judgment could be based on no more than opinion (illegal
immigrants are parasites on civilised society, therefore shooting them when
they try to cross the border is morally right).
Absolute-Relative
An
absolute determination is invariant whereas a relative determination varies
with context. Say we were wondering
around with a lux meter measuring the light levels on an airplane. We find that the lighting from a globe in the
galley and from an indicator light in the cockpit is 60 lux. This is an absolute measurement (I know, it’s
only absolute-ish, but I’m trying to give an analogy here). However, in the galley the globe is too dim
(since the rest of the plane would be at about 250-400 lux) and the indicator
in the cockpit is too bright (since it cannot be blinding at night when
something like 2-5 lux would be appropriate).
Absolute
moral judgments are based on obedience to some moral law or “moral fact” which
does not vary (the Bible says not to lie, therefore lying is always morally
wrong).
Relative
moral judgments are made in a context and can vary (exposing one’s midriff in
Australia was morally unacceptable in the 1940s but is fine today, but it is
still morally unacceptable in Saudi Arabia).
Real-Imaginary
By
the real-imaginary axis, I mean as in the difference between Balto
(the Siberian husky that was the lead dog on the team that brought diphtheria
antitoxin to Nome, Alaska in 1925) and Boris the talking Snow Goose in the film
Balto (in
which the eponymous character is transformed into a talking hybrid Siberian
husky/white wolf). One of the two is
made up.
Real
in terms of morality relates to the idea of Platonically real moral values,
being moral values that are somehow integral to the universe. Such moral values would not necessarily be
absolute, even though I suspect that if they existed they would. It is possible that our interaction with
“Platonically real moral values” would be contextual and thus relative.
Imaginary,
on the other hand, refers to the idea that some people think that “Platonically
real moral values” exist, and others of us don’t. We think that the idea of “Platonically real
moral values” is made up – although we might not think that moral values
themselves are made up …
Natural-Artificial
The
natural-artificial axis could also be considered as a real-artificial axis,
since the word “real” confusingly has
more than one meaning. I am referring
here to the idea that morality could have evolved naturally, or it could have
been imposed artificially. For example,
a man in a tent could have sat down and wrote a long list of moral rules off
the top of his head. These would be
“artificial”. On the other hand, you
could have the natural moral rules that emerge out of an imperative to survive.
Rational-Irrational
This
is getting a bit more esoteric and could be covered by other axes, but with
this axis I am trying to point out that the man in the tent mentioned above
could have just written down “ a bunch of crazy shit” or he could have thought
it all through carefully. Take a look at
Deuteronomy some time to see which approach Moses took.
Consistent-Inconsistent
This
one is especially for LNC. He seems
convinced that consistency is essential in morality. I think we all agree about that. What we don’t agree about is who is being
consistent and who is being inconsistent.
Consistency
in morality would mean that, for example, if being raped in the city is
wrong then being raped in the country would be equally wrong. Inconsistency would mean treating the two
cases differently and stoning to death different people depending on where the
rape occurred (good old Deuteronomy).
Simplex-Complex
With
this axis I am making reference to the idea that there are people who see
things in terms of black and white (see the second image above) and there are
others who perceive a vivid spectrum – or at least distinguish shades of grey. If when asked “is lying wrong?” you respond
with “Yes!” then you are a simplex sort of person. The rest of us will likely say something
beginning with “Well, it depends …”
Implacable-Flexible
This
is another one included for the benefit of people like LNC and it’s very much
about the practical application of morality.
There are two extremes when it comes to moralists, those who are
implacable in the application of their morality (think of Inspector Javert in Les Misérables )
and those who are more flexible (think of the Bishop of Digne who absolves Jean
Valjean and “buys” his soul for god). If
you can put aside your petty morality in order to strive towards a “higher
goal” of some sort, you are a flexible type.
If you think that you can’t (perhaps because you mistake your petty
morality for some higher morality), then you are an implacable type.
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I’m completely open
to the idea of adding more axes or combining some. Any thoughts?